00:00:06:26 Previously on Talk Show Night at Juicebox Manor!
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00:00:35:21 Welcome to Talk Show Night at Juicebox Manor.
00:00:37:18 Today we're going to the driving ranch
00:00:40:01 with our friend Josh Reichmann.
00:00:41:29 You may know him from the post punk band, Tangiers.
00:00:45:06 They were awesome and sort of
00:00:46:24 on the verge of some really-really big stuff
00:00:48:29 when the band just sort of imploded
00:00:50:21 around the turn of the millennium.
00:00:52:09 But since then he has been making awesome rock and roll
00:00:54:06 with the Josh Reichmann Oracle Band.
00:00:56:18 Putting up records on Paperbag and generally being a sweet dude
00:01:00:09 to go golfing with, which by the way I am awesome at.
00:01:03:19 I am the best in golf.
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00:01:25:08 We're here on television
00:01:26:18 at the Driving Range with our friend Josh Reichmann
00:01:28:18 and we're going to go hit some balls.
00:01:29:20 But first I want to get
00:01:30:26 everyone's favorite golfing memory.
00:01:34:10 Well I went in at Victoria Park station
00:01:36:22 when I was a kid in Toronto. I met my friend,
00:01:39:14 Shin Chi Zam and to buy drugs from him to sell at my school,
00:01:43:15 so I met him on the golf course when it was raining
00:01:45:08 and he is like, I will leave it under the bush and
00:01:47:17 -I had to get it out... -Like the bush...
00:01:49:21 Yeah, yeah, of course!
00:01:51:03 The bush by the sand!
00:01:52:19 And then I had to go pick up from him
00:01:55:08 and get back on the subway and I am going.
00:01:59:28 I feel really depressed, take the whole subway line from
00:02:02:03 Victoria Park to Royal York station to go like,
00:02:05:15 hey man did you get it? And then like, yeah!
00:02:09:19 Hey, that's good!
00:02:13:28 Oh it's my mom, here you go man! Thanks buddy!
00:02:17:03 And then like, I didn't make any money
00:02:19:15 because that smoked the rest of it.
00:02:22:25 That is a great compliment!
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00:02:32:11 How would you describe your golfing style?
00:02:34:11 Do you have a style of golfing?
00:02:37:05 I have my own approach.
00:02:38:20 I just say it's like straight up.
00:02:42:10 Straight up style!
00:02:44:01 So people you know are... some people are just really sarcastic
00:02:47:10 when they golf, they're like ... do you know what I mean?
00:02:50:12 They're like, oh it's so ironic to hit this way.
00:02:53:05 Like, good one buddy, you know, try to actually hit the ball
00:02:57:10 and I am just like, hey man I am straight up.
00:02:59:26 I am just being honest about how I hit this ball.
00:03:02:03 Do you know what I mean?
00:03:03:06 I am trying to put some emotion in to it,
00:03:04:23 trying to feel vulnerable while I hit the ball.
00:03:06:28 Other people are like, I am scared of vulnerability,
00:03:08:19 I am scared of being myself, so they pose.
00:03:10:17 Do you know what I mean? They act cool.
00:03:12:06 I am not into like cool stuff.
00:03:13:28 You know, I try to hit the ball like an adult.
00:03:16:18 You know, like someone who feels lot of things
00:03:18:29 because I have been through a lot.
00:03:20:15 So when I play golf or when I do anything,
00:03:22:03 I fucking feel the shit. Do you know what I mean?
00:03:23:27 Like I am not going to cry, I am not going to sit here
00:03:25:24 and fucking cry for you while we're hanging out in the truck.
00:03:28:14 I am not going to fucking cry for you on your TV show
00:03:30:19 and for your magazine. Do you know what I mean?
00:03:32:16 Oh, Mr. Golf, fun golf times.
00:03:35:15 Cry for me, let's get something out of this guy, cry!
00:03:38:07 You know, why don't you cry?
00:03:40:10 I'll ask you questions, you know.
00:03:41:25 It fucks your problem, what makes you cry?
00:03:43:26 Do you know what I mean? What as the last bad thing
00:03:45:24 that happened to you that made you think about golf?
00:03:47:17 Or something happened to you during golf that's bad.
00:03:50:02 You know, either one, vice versa.
00:03:52:10 The worlds a loop, you know, go in a loop buddy.
00:03:55:04 You know, go to the fucking Buddhist seminar,
00:03:56:28 you know, what I mean, learn about the universe.
00:03:58:17 It's a fucking loose, man.
00:03:59:22 It's like a figure it on your own side, so figure it out.
00:04:01:26 I don't care!
00:04:04:06 Who cares, you know?
00:04:06:12 Fuck golf!
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00:04:27:02 Get real assholes of the world, you know,
00:04:29:11 because I am straight up when I play.
00:04:31:02 Be yourself!
00:04:33:13 Coming up, an interview with Dave Bidini
00:04:34:28 and a performance by Joe Lally!


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00:00:02:08 Welcome back to Talk Show Night.
00:00:03:20 We're about to introduce our first guest,
00:00:05:10 Dave Bidini of The Rheostatics.
00:00:07:22 The most famous guest we've ever had from
00:00:10:14 our hometown of Etobicoke, Ontario.
00:00:13:05 Also one of the most respected bands
00:00:15:17 to ever come out of Canada.
00:00:16:27 They had two records in the Millennial Chart Magazine Poll.
00:00:20:08 The only other band with two records in the top-10,
00:00:22:22 The Guess Who.
00:00:24:16 Who were they?
00:00:26:00 Big thumbs down and his latest record, The Land is Wild,
00:00:28:23 just came out.
00:00:30:05 Ladies and Gentlemen, 8 book author, Dave Bidini!
00:00:37:18 What's up? How is it going?
00:00:39:10 Oh good!
00:00:40:21 What's up, wow! How is it going? Are we live?
00:00:42:13 -We're live! -We're live!
00:00:44:28 You'll realize how live this show is.
00:00:46:12 Well thank you very much!
00:00:47:18 You're from Etobicoke, really?
00:00:49:02 That's actually my first question that I've written down,
00:00:50:29 question notes, Etobicoke is the best place.
00:00:54:08 It's debatable.
00:00:56:25 Well, I think it's the best place until
00:00:58:18 like you're maybe 14.
00:01:00:12 Then it becomes not so much the best place.
00:01:02:14 But in that way maybe it's a really good place.
00:01:04:12 I guess it's a good place to leave, I think.
00:01:06:09 You know, and it's a good place to go back
00:01:08:11 like on Sundays to eat.
00:01:09:25 There is a lot of food in Etobicoke.
00:01:12:10 Good Sunday eating place for sure!
00:01:14:03 It's a great place you know...
00:01:15:07 I just ate in Etobicoke yesterday actually.
00:01:16:23 Really?
00:01:17:23 We'll get back to you on Monday.
00:01:20:28 It looks like you're too much into Etobicoke.
00:01:22:13 We're going to talk a little bit more about Etobicoke later
00:01:24:22 but I am glad that you dropped the Apache bomb on us.
00:01:27:16 Oh, yeah! See it had to happen, it's inevitable.
00:01:30:06 It did since we said Etobicoke, it was...
00:01:32:29 It's pretty much the city hall of Etobicoke.
00:01:36:08 Jean B too but anyways go on.
00:01:37:28 Yes! It's your show, it's not my show.
00:01:39:18 Yeah thanks, it's not The Dave Bidini Show.
00:01:41:17 Not yet!
00:01:44:02 He is trying to get my job.
00:01:45:12 Okay!
00:01:46:28 Should it become available though, I mean, you know.
00:01:49:06 You were expressing some interest.
00:01:51:00 Is what, you want to get your resume in the drawer.
00:01:52:18 -Indeed! -Ok, great!
00:01:53:20 We can never let Roger see this footage.
00:01:55:07 No You can't, no?
00:01:56:21 Oh there is a Roger?
00:01:57:28 No, there is a Roger!
00:01:59:01 Roger? Even worse!
00:02:02:24 Way worse!
00:02:03:27 Well let him see that footage because then he is never
00:02:04:29 getting the job.
00:02:07:13 You're easily in our first season probably the guest
00:02:12:04 that we've had with sort of a most prolific history, you know,
00:02:15:18 most acclaimed records, most acclaimed books,
00:02:20:05 I think that's probably safe to say.
00:02:22:01 Probably the only guest who has written a book!
00:02:24:29 Yeah! Bruce LaBruce has written a book.
00:02:26:25 Oh yeah! Sure!
00:02:28:06 Bruce LaBruce has done a lot of things.
00:02:30:23 A lot of things I haven't done.
00:02:32:10 A lot of things most of us haven't done.
00:02:34:27 You being a man that has done other things that
00:02:36:13 Bruce LaBruce hasn't done.
00:02:38:08 I wonder when it comes time to, you know, write a new record or
00:02:40:28 write a new book, how much at this stage in your career,
00:02:45:10 you have to measure yourself against great things that
00:02:48:28 you've done in the past that's ever difficult to overcome?
00:02:52:28 Is it difficult? Not really!
00:02:54:08 I think when you're writing anything, you working on record
00:02:57:02 or working on a book, you're sort of
00:02:58:14 inside that moment of doing that thing.
00:03:00:08 And then maybe when that record comes out,
00:03:02:03 you sort of look at it months later,
00:03:04:25 years later from a distance.
00:03:06:26 You see it against all those other things.
00:03:08:24 Certain people do hold me and the bands
00:03:12:18 against certain works, right.
00:03:14:08 And I think there was a lot... like for The Rheostatics
00:03:16:05 there was a time we were making our records, you know,
00:03:18:17 at subsequent, Whale Music Record,
00:03:19:28 it's Whale Music Male though records,
00:03:21:12 which are the two albums that you mentioned, alright.
00:03:23:08 And we were making what we thought was a great record
00:03:25:14 and certain writers would go,
00:03:26:26 you know, it's good and stuff but it's not like
00:03:30:00 these two great works and we kind of go like, fuck you!
00:03:34:02 I mean, you know, every right song you write you hope is
00:03:36:26 vibrant and standing as the last one of you wrote
00:03:40:03 but that's it I think it's good to have a couple of records
00:03:44:10 or couple of books where,
00:03:45:29 you know, people have made this connection
00:03:47:29 and they regard it as your you know, best work.
00:03:50:24 I think every artist aspires to have a best work, right.
00:03:55:00 So, I don't even feel bad that you have a best work.
00:03:57:16 Even though at times those best work
00:03:59:02 overshadow your other work so.
00:04:00:23 We did an interview Nomeansno where they talked about Wrong
00:04:04:15 like being kind of the touched one and that's another band
00:04:06:23 where they're still active, they're still making
00:04:08:11 exciting music but there is this weirdness,
00:04:10:29 I don't know if it's weirdness,
00:04:12:19 but there is sort of a...
00:04:14:03 is the best thing that we did going to be the thing
00:04:15:28 we wrote when we were like 20?
00:04:17:24 I think you have to look at it as a bit of a challenge because
00:04:20:04 I think a lot of great artist have those great first moments.
00:04:23:01 I think it comes in threes in a way,
00:04:25:00 you have this great first moment where you come out and
00:04:26:27 you're fresh new and the idea that you've been inculcating
00:04:29:16 for so long is expressed and people will respond to it.
00:04:32:13 Then I think there is that kind of middle period, right.
00:04:37:03 And then there is that the final period where you do kind of
00:04:39:26 your defining work as your kind of leaving.
00:04:42:04 And I think all great artists have had those,
00:04:45:13 have had their career shaped that way.
00:04:48:23 So, I think as you enter your middle period,
00:04:50:29 I think I kind of maybe am in a way,
00:04:52:16 I think you have to look at it as a challenge.
00:04:54:25 To rise to what, you know, Neil Young has done over his career
00:04:57:27 or Bob Dylan or Martin Scorsese or you know,
00:05:02:23 Michael Landon Jr. where you have to, you know,
00:05:04:14 you find as a challenge as an artist you kind of
00:05:06:28 come up to that middle part and you go like,
00:05:08:16 I want a rise in respond and someone it doesn't happen but
00:05:11:12 you like to think that you're capable of rising to that.
00:05:14:14 So it's a good place.
00:05:16:21 And I mean between that again like books, stage,
00:05:20:02 adaptations of things you've written.
00:05:22:16 You've a lot of projects on the go all the time.
00:05:24:05 What stage do you want to imagine the various things
00:05:26:22 you're working on are going to be out in 7 months?
00:05:28:29 7 months, when we look in to the future 7 months...
00:05:33:23 So what do you want the final bell be ringing at?
00:05:36:00 I'll be hosting this show in 7 months, really.
00:05:39:20 Other than that... I mean that would make me truly happy,
00:05:41:18 but other than that.
00:05:43:09 You're going to replace Justin, but I like his job.
00:05:45:03 It's an easy role, I don't do too much.
00:05:47:09 Alright, it's illustrated by this interview.
00:05:49:11 I just sit and look in.
00:05:51:08 You mean the straight man?
00:05:52:11 -Exactly! -You're not so straight man.
00:05:53:28 Keep saying I am in check that was on a bit much?
00:05:56:26 No, it's good, do you like pinch him
00:05:58:19 or do you have a signal or it's...
00:06:00:09 It's more of like a... sort of like a gentle rub.
00:06:06:28 He just needs to relax.
00:06:08:03 Exactly! There you go!
00:06:10:04 Well we're going to come back and talk to you
00:06:12:03 some more about our shared hometown.
00:06:15:02 We're going to go to the phones, we're going to take phone calls
00:06:17:03 about new jobs in Etobicoke.
00:06:19:18 But we'll be back soon after this break with more
00:06:22:03 Talk Show Night at Juicebox Manor.
00:06:23:14 Groovy!


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00:00:02:16 Hi, welcome back, we are here in our house with the legendary
00:00:05:11 Hello everyone!
00:00:06:25 Dave Bidini.
00:00:09:18 And we talked about this a little bit earlier but now
00:00:11:11 I really want to get into it.
00:00:12:28 Let's get into it.
00:00:14:11 I want to talk about Etobicoke.
00:00:15:20 We're all feeling a little homesick, so.
00:00:17:28 So, basically we want to know, Justin and I from Etobicoke,
00:00:21:22 Ashley Carter who is working on one of the cameras also held
00:00:24:16 a music show from Etobicoke.
00:00:27:03 Strong Etobicoke contingent in this room
00:00:32:00 and we really just wanted to rap about our home supper.
00:00:36:09 That's what they say in Etobicoke, rap.
00:00:38:28 Not the musical form but the conversational form.
00:00:42:07 Exactly! People don't know that.
00:00:43:21 One thing people don't know about Etobicoke.
00:00:45:12 Chat never caught on rap.
00:00:46:25 It's just there!
00:00:49:20 For context, when did you move out of Etobicoke?
00:00:52:21 I think it would have been, I'd say maybe in 1986.
00:00:57:03 Okay! I moved out of Etobicoke 4 years ago.
00:01:00:22 I am moving in next week, so I am still holding down the...
00:01:04:28 So where Etobicoke that we should substantially...
00:01:07:00 I am from a...
00:01:08:18 He is from Mississauga.
00:01:09:29 Don't let him tell you that he is from Etobicoke.
00:01:11:09 I am from Markland Woods, so where are you from in Etobicoke?
00:01:12:28 Kipling Islington!
00:01:14:03 Right on!
00:01:15:27 In that way you're from like real Etobicoke.
00:01:19:03 I am a southie boy.
00:01:20:16 Mimico?
00:01:22:20 I am on a numbered street.
00:01:27:08 Alright, let's talk bests in Etobicoke.
00:01:29:26 And then hope that someone who isn't from Etobicoke
00:01:31:13 will find that interesting.
00:01:33:00 Well lot of stuff is common to suburbs everywhere.
00:01:34:23 Plus, people can come visit. This might make Etobicoke
00:01:36:18 a destination for travelers.
00:01:38:28 The tours and board of Etobicoke has actually
00:01:40:21 hugely sponsored of the show.
00:01:42:05 Yeah, yeah! Best burger in Etobicoke?
00:01:45:13 I am going to go off the grid and I am going to say
00:01:47:22 The Fire Pit.
00:01:49:18 Only because I kind of think Apache has actually slipped
00:01:54:15 a little bit, I just think burgers everywhere have slipped.
00:01:57:04 Oh this is your opinion.
00:01:58:21 I think the burgers aren't good anymore and meat as is good.
00:02:03:08 I've never heard that, I thought music is not as good, film,
00:02:06:17 television not as good but no all those things are fine,
00:02:08:22 but burgers are in trouble.
00:02:11:09 Can you say specifically what you feel
00:02:13:07 is lacking from burgers these days.
00:02:15:02 I think they're smaller first of all.
00:02:17:04 That I agree with.
00:02:18:24 The Apache burger is definitely small, for sure.
00:02:20:01 Jean B burger was like the size of a Frisbee.
00:02:22:25 Everything used to be like an 8 ounce burger.
00:02:25:25 For sure, but Fire Pit never changed the burger.
00:02:31:11 Best mall?
00:02:33:11 Well again I think, like, there has been a pretty-pretty
00:02:38:00 bad mall decline I think in Etobicoke.
00:02:42:09 Cloverdale is getting better and better everyday.
00:02:44:03 Here is my Albion mall story.
00:02:45:26 So Albion mall like I remember like going to buy
00:02:48:18 my hockey pictorial at this book shop at Albia mall.
00:02:51:20 I keep smelling it and how good this hockey pictorial,
00:02:54:25 you know hockey pictorial smelled.
00:02:57:09 And I remember going to Planet of the Apes there,
00:03:00:09 Bruce McDonald actually...
00:03:01:20 we have one of the things we have in common is
00:03:03:00 we both saw the first Planet of the Apes at the Albion Mall.
00:03:05:26 -Really? -Yeah!
00:03:08:13 And so I went back there about 10 years ago to write actually
00:03:10:28 a story for the star about this great mall
00:03:14:11 which was the place you went to.
00:03:17:17 I remember smoking hash, I going to see The Jerk,
00:03:21:02 Steve Martin's The Jerk, and getting arrested,
00:03:23:09 like the cops pulls out of my friend's pacer.
00:03:25:14 You're driving there, there is like 17 of us in the pacer
00:03:27:24 and we're hovering backside.
00:03:28:28 Anyways they took us out and they frisked us down
00:03:31:08 and then those who didn't have any dope on them
00:03:34:01 got back in the pacer and actually so me and my buddy
00:03:36:27 went to see The Jerk after being arrested by the cops
00:03:39:21 and just kind of watch it like this, we were so freaked out.
00:03:42:28 So I went back... Albion mall, I went back there.
00:03:45:02 I wouldn't be there forever, so I went back there
00:03:47:16 and I walk into the Albion mall
00:03:48:28 and the first thing is there is a Shoppers Drug Mart
00:03:51:24 at one of the entrances and they had a TV rolled out
00:03:53:26 on a big stand and it was showing a work out video, right.
00:03:57:12 There is this woman there in like a blue unitard
00:04:00:19 on the screen and she, you know, was doing her thing
00:04:03:17 and there was guy, middle aged guy in track pants,
00:04:07:10 watching the women do her work out, masturbating.
00:04:11:05 And that was the first thing I saw when I walked in
00:04:13:29 the Albion mall after having not been there.
00:04:15:18 And security eventually came, they pulled him away.
00:04:17:19 Eventually came.
00:04:18:26 No seriously!
00:04:20:05 He has been doing it for a while before you got there.
00:04:22:08 Totally and he did it for a while as I was watching him.
00:04:24:16 But that would be the best mall for me.
00:04:28:28 Best place to get into mischief?
00:04:32:03 To mischief?
00:04:33:09 Probably, well I'd go anywhere in the Humber basically.
00:04:36:21 You could get into a lot of trouble in the Humber.
00:04:39:21 I didn't get into any mischief in high school
00:04:40:22 because I was straight actually.
00:04:42:03 I think just, like, you know, natural kind of mischief like...
00:04:44:04 Tornados?
00:04:46:04 Well creek rising and stuff.
00:04:48:08 Yeah, for sure!
00:04:49:25 The Etobicoke creek van and little snow mills.
00:04:51:23 -Scary! -Totally! Yeah, for sure!
00:04:53:28 I can go down there!
00:04:55:16 What about... is there a best make-out spot?
00:04:58:04 Best make-out spot?
00:04:59:28 Again you're probably asking the wrong guy.
00:05:02:00 Not otherwise I am much make-out.
00:05:08:18 Well, you know what, the Etobicoke Olympium
00:05:10:15 was pretty big for a while.
00:05:13:04 For making-out?
00:05:14:23 Well, it was a place where there were a lot of dances,
00:05:16:20 they would have dances at the Olympium
00:05:19:02 and XTC were ones booked to play at the Etobicoke Olympium.
00:05:22:10 -Really? -Do a show.
00:05:23:16 Can I put this in reflective, my 100 year old grandma swims
00:05:25:28 twice a week at the Oympium where XTC I guess play.
00:05:29:03 Well they didn't. This is the thing.
00:05:32:13 They were are favorite band and we were so thrilled they were
00:05:34:10 going to be coming to Etobicoke that we would actually...
00:05:37:00 we made signs that we were going to hold up because we knew
00:05:40:18 where their bus would be coming through.
00:05:41:27 And so when they're like got to Etobicoke,
00:05:44:08 we were going to like hold up signs.
00:05:45:21 Welcome to Etobicoke.
00:05:47:13 But they cancelled because Andy Partridge
00:05:49:04 had a nervous breakdown.
00:05:50:21 That's probably because he didn't want to go to Etobicoke.
00:05:52:25 It was too good to be true.
00:05:54:17 They heard it had no good make-out spots
00:05:55:26 and no good mischief.
00:05:57:18 But anyway there was lots of sloppy make-out action there.
00:05:59:16 Not that... I never went to those things, right.
00:06:02:23 Because we were going downtown right
00:06:04:11 and lot of people were not going downtown.
00:06:06:28 Too afraid, scary down there.
00:06:11:08 Okay, now actual last one, best high school in Etobicoke?
00:06:14:13 Are there any good high schools anywhere?
00:06:17:00 No!
00:06:18:03 It's going to be a tough call.
00:06:20:23 I like Martin Grove because like it was a high school
00:06:22:24 I didn't go to but my girlfriend went there
00:06:24:22 and Dave our first drummer went there.
00:06:26:26 So that was always pretty good just because
00:06:29:11 I wasn't on the hook for any...
00:06:30:18 like you can just go there and be a goof and...
00:06:32:22 Martin Grove was our high school's
00:06:33:24 rival high school actually.
00:06:34:24 What was your high school?
00:06:36:11 I went to ECI.
00:06:37:23 Right, right! Cool!
00:06:39:06 I went to ESA and all my friends went to Martin Grove
00:06:41:05 and they made fun of us because they called it ES-gay
00:06:43:24 which was very clever because it was
00:06:45:11 a performing arts high school.
00:06:47:03 But for answering correctly and saying that
00:06:49:25 there are no good high schools anywhere.
00:06:53:13 -You win what's in the chest. -You win what's in the chest.
00:06:54:28 Seriously?
00:06:56:00 -Yeah! -Oh yeah!
00:06:57:03 What the heck is in that chest?
00:06:58:05 Well you're about to, so get ready.
00:07:00:02 We're going to take some things off.
00:07:02:05 That's like when you go to the dentist,
00:07:03:28 it's great they'll pull at your chest.
00:07:05:10 So shall we look inside the chest and see what you've won?
00:07:08:22 I am all in tingle.
00:07:14:18 Oh my god!
00:07:16:18 Great prize!
00:07:17:29 Well, thanks for talking about Etobicoke.
00:07:20:18 Okay, guys, no problem!
00:07:21:28 Alright so we're going to be back after another break
00:07:23:14 with more Talk Show Night at Juicebox Manor.
00:07:24:18 Oh yeah!


00:00:02:03 Welcome back to Talk Show Night at Juicebox Manor.
00:00:03:28 Please welcome what is the biggest deal of my life ever,
00:00:07:15 the bass player form Fugazi, Joe Lally.
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