00:00:08:28 Previously on Talk Show Night at Juicebox Manor.
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00:00:40:07 Hey! It's 3 am and it's Talk Show Night at Juicebox Manor,
00:00:42:22 we are about to fly to Quebec City
00:00:43:22 for the Annual Festival Day today
00:00:45:24 which is been going for 42 years.
00:00:47:15 This year Kiss is playing
00:00:49:23 so we are going to go fly to Quebec City
00:00:51:15 and try to interview Kiss.
00:00:56:02 I lost the coin toss.
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00:01:04:00 Welcome to our hotel room in Quebec City
00:01:05:28 or KISS interview HQ, we are hold up here,
00:01:09:12 we have a laptop and a variety of snacks.
00:01:12:01 You can show the laptop and the snacks
00:01:14:02 and we are going to try to get an interview with Kiss.
00:01:18:21 We are trying desperately to get an interview with Kiss today,
00:01:22:08 and we are asking all the bands that we talked to
00:01:25:12 if you could ask Kiss one question,
00:01:27:24 what would The Spleen ask KISS?
00:01:31:26 I wish... to play a show with all this equipment,
00:01:36:04 the equipment yeah.
00:01:37:12 You know I think that maybe there is 30 pounds.
00:01:42:04 But I imagine they must be in great shape
00:01:43:26 like can you imagine playing with like that amount of extra
00:01:46:18 No, I can't, I can't.
00:01:47:26 You should go to the gym maybe.
00:01:49:14 Yeah, maybe.
00:01:53:10 What would you guys want to ask the Kiss?
00:01:56:09 I would probably ask Gene Simmons for some money
00:01:58:13 for 20 bucks to get a quiz announced
00:02:01:13 and I have 20 bucks, I am hungry for
00:02:02:29 that's what I would say.
00:02:04:16 What about you? Do you have a question for Kiss?
00:02:08:22 No, just [inaudible] their style,
00:02:11:19 you know what I am saying.
00:02:13:20 Have you guys like thought about issuing [inaudible]
00:02:15:18 anything like we have mask, what are you doing?
00:02:18:16 Yeah.
00:02:19:18 Copyrights you know.
00:02:20:28 They are a new band, right, they just came out.
00:02:22:03 Yeah. They are like I think they got a new record coming out.
00:02:24:05 First show or something.
00:02:25:15 Yeah. It isn't a big deal,
00:02:26:24 a lot of them just hype really I think, I don't know.
00:02:28:13 -Old guys too man, it's sad. -I am going to sue him.
00:02:30:22 Right on. Okay, well good luck.
00:02:32:07 Who are you guys in line to see right now?
00:02:35:08 Metrics, Metrics.
00:02:36:15 And why are you not going to see Kiss?
00:02:39:02 Because we are young.
00:02:43:15 If you were given an opportunity to interview Kiss,
00:02:46:13 what is the question that you would want to post?
00:02:54:13 I am just thinking about their tongue.
00:02:56:24 -That's all -Is it real?
00:03:01:05 Is it an extension?
00:03:03:07 Oh man! I would never want to
00:03:07:22 I hate that band so much.
00:03:09:26 I... seriously I would never want to be in the same building.
00:03:14:06 I actually heard Ace Frehley was at one of our shows
00:03:15:28 a couple of weeks ago...
00:03:17:10 And you still hate Kiss
00:03:18:18 even though Ace Frehley has been to one of our shows?
00:03:20:08 Yeah, I freely admit. But I hate Frehley.
00:03:26:22 We don't need anything more than that, perfect, cut.
00:03:31:14 What is the question
00:03:33:02 that you would ask Kiss on behalf of Staind?
00:03:37:04 I don't know but I got Gene Simmons story for you.
00:03:39:07 Oh! I want to hear it.
00:03:40:15 So we are at the Indy 500
00:03:41:29 and Gene Simmons comes walking up to me and he is like
00:03:45:22 you are a very handsome and powerful man,
00:03:49:12 some day just maybe you will be like
00:03:53:09 well you know the rest of the story.
00:03:55:29 And he turned around and he walked away.
00:03:58:17 And then 15 minutes later I looked over
00:04:01:19 and it was Gene Simmons and Richard Marx
00:04:06:13 sitting at the table by themselves
00:04:09:04 in this like major philosophical conversation.
00:04:13:11 Wow! That's a great Gene Simmons story.
00:04:16:24 -Yeah -Congratulations!
00:04:17:25 I mean I can only assume your success has pretty much
00:04:20:14 been directly a result...
00:04:22:07 Direct... Correlation with, absolutely,
00:04:24:12 I have taken that little bit of advice
00:04:27:14 and flushed it right down the toilet.
00:04:31:25 Well, thanks for not having Gene Simmons.
00:04:34:03 Yeah, thanks James.
00:04:35:12 We are here on the Plains of Abraham,
00:04:36:22 we are trying to find Kiss.
00:04:38:19 We think that they are going to be on that huge stage
00:04:41:09 over there.
00:04:42:26 So maybe we will get an interview,
00:04:44:19 if we could just hang out.
00:04:46:15 Okay, we found the members of Kiss,
00:04:49:06 the members of Kiss are in the crowd
00:04:51:10 just talking to people, it's tremendously exciting.
00:04:55:04 I love your band.
00:04:56:15 Hey, you know what, my band?
00:04:58:03 -Yes. -What band?
00:04:59:20 Kiss, the band that you are in.
00:05:02:22 Aren't you in Kiss?
00:05:03:25 Motherfucker I don't know what Kiss is.
00:05:06:00 Kiss is [inaudible].
00:05:10:08 What can people look forward to from
00:05:11:25 the Kiss rock and roll experience tonight?
00:05:14:05 Lots of fun and lots of classic that we sing.
00:05:20:10 Were you upset to be kicked out of the band in the 80s?
00:05:24:03 Yes.
00:05:25:17 -Yeah. -It's a lot more money now.
00:05:29:04 Paul, I got to know, I mean new record,
00:05:32:12 people are nervous like do you still have it?
00:05:35:20 Do you still have it Paul Stanley?
00:05:37:26 Yes.
00:05:38:26 Right on. Okay.
00:05:40:26 What can people look forward to tonight from Kiss?
00:05:43:17 I don't know.
00:05:45:22 Rock and roll.
00:05:46:22 Rock and roll.
00:05:47:23 When will they rock and roll?
00:05:50:16 Tonight.
00:05:51:17 All night?
00:05:52:24 All night.
00:05:53:24 What will they do during the day?
00:05:55:19 Sleep.
00:05:58:18 Party.
00:05:59:22 Party.
00:06:01:06 We interviewed Kiss.
00:06:03:08 Coming up an interview with Bruce Labruce
00:06:05:08 and a performance by The Darcys.


00:00:03:06 Welcome back to Talk Show Night.
00:00:04:12 We are here and we are ready to introduce our guest today,
00:00:06:20 iconic Canadian film director Bruce Labruce.
00:00:10:04 Now this is a man who, from 85 to 90, 91 helped publish J.D.s
00:00:15:12 seminal punk zine that basically defined
00:00:18:02 and helped to create the queercore scene of that era
00:00:21:08 that is continued to exist today.
00:00:23:03 In the 1991 he produced his first full length feature film,
00:00:27:01 No Skin Off My Ass and since then he is been making the
00:00:29:23 explicit, awesome, thought provoking cinema,
00:00:33:23 written a book,
00:00:35:05 continued to basically be an icon of punk rock culture,
00:00:38:25 film culture, gay culture, all cultures,
00:00:41:24 all cultures that are good.
00:00:43:24 Ladies and gentlemen, Bruce Labruce.
00:00:49:12 -Hey guys! How is it going? -How are you doing?
00:00:52:02 -Welcome to our home. -Thanks for coming in.
00:00:53:20 Multi-culti.
00:00:56:11 -How about that intro? -All cultures. All cultures.
00:00:59:09 -Black culture. -Yeah especially black culture.
00:01:01:27 Communist culture.
00:01:04:01 Primarily, we wanted to discuss your influence on
00:01:06:17 -modern Canadian Filipino -Filipino culture.
00:01:11:12 I remember reading an interview with you sort of before Otto;
00:01:16:17 Up With Dead People, your last film came out,
00:01:19:05 probably in [inaudible]
00:01:21:02 where you were talking about the fact that
00:01:22:29 horror audiences kind of make a habit of
00:01:25:07 wanting to be exposed to extreme stuff and
00:01:28:12 like the craziest shit and you were sort of pondering aloud,
00:01:31:26 you were like horror audiences you think they are very
00:01:33:24 open minded like our horror audience is going to be ready
00:01:36:14 for like orgy in the middle of their zombie movie.
00:01:40:05 Yeah, I wouldn't call open minded,
00:01:42:01 but I mean they are certainly up for anything
00:01:45:10 in terms of like extreme representation,
00:01:47:17 in terms of whatever you want, like guts a woman,
00:01:52:15 like in women like in [inaudible] last movie
00:01:55:07 where a woman got impaled like
00:01:57:08 right through her vagina out her mouth,
00:01:59:08 nothing shocks them in those terms
00:02:01:03 but then in a way it's kind of surprising
00:02:03:15 how easily you can shock them with something
00:02:06:19 like gay content or so you have... I had in Otto,
00:02:11:20 I had a brief scene where one guy fucks another guy
00:02:14:10 in a hole in his stomach.
00:02:17:12 And you know why not, I mean if you can see a woman
00:02:20:26 getting impaled through her vagina and through her mouth,
00:02:23:06 why can't one guy put his penis in another guy's stomach.
00:02:25:12 But maybe if it was a woman's stomach
00:02:28:01 would it be easier to take you know,
00:02:29:29 I mean the thing that always got me on this subject
00:02:34:14 was when I saw David Cronenberg's Crash
00:02:36:16 and there is all these incredibly graphic scenes
00:02:40:24 of James Spader, sort of about to fuck
00:02:45:21 or fondling the scars and Rosanna Arquette's stomach
00:02:49:24 and he is totally sexualizing it
00:02:51:06 and it's really like out there
00:02:53:11 and then when James Spader and who would it be,
00:02:58:13 the other actor, when they ended up kissing,
00:03:04:06 the audience is just like no.
00:03:06:18 No.
00:03:07:28 Oh! Gross.
00:03:09:13 Definitely cross the line there
00:03:11:17 so that's put it in perspective for me.
00:03:14:27 Do you feel though, sort of now that Otto has been out and
00:03:18:26 screened for various audiences,
00:03:21:10 do you feel like horror audiences were receptive to it?
00:03:26:00 Yeah, I ended up getting in America better reviews in like
00:03:30:07 mainstream papers than in sort of independent supposedly
00:03:34:18 Indie kind lefty papers like Now gave me like one star.
00:03:40:08 But then I got a really good review in like
00:03:42:02 The New York Times, in The LA Times.
00:03:43:26 For me it's usually the other way around,
00:03:45:21 I usually get support from the Indies
00:03:47:06 and not from the mainstream and
00:03:49:10 it was reverse so
00:03:50:10 I didn't quite understand what's going out there.
00:03:53:08 Maybe like gut fucking is just more mainstream than...
00:03:56:22 I think you really like the left is over it.
00:03:58:19 I think there is also kind of a weird reverse
00:04:02:20 Indie sort of reviewers are totally,
00:04:06:21 it's totally kind of politically incorrect stance
00:04:09:23 to really embrace kind of corporate entertainment
00:04:12:20 like The Dark Knight, Iron Man
00:04:17:03 and all these kind of corporate products
00:04:18:28 and they are totally into it
00:04:20:16 and they think it's really cool and they are like supporting it.
00:04:22:29 And then they get really like kind of snarky and
00:04:26:24 kind of critical of people are supposedly doing independent
00:04:31:28 kind of shocking... which I don't know
00:04:36:08 it seems like a weird reverse prejudice to me.
00:04:39:03 So you just made The Dark Knight.
00:04:40:16 Yuck.
00:04:42:04 I think that movie did really well. I think that was
00:04:44:04 I have heard good things. I don't know.
00:04:45:19 I hate it.
00:04:47:13 It doesn't stand up.
00:04:48:23 Really, Christian Bale needs to get a new expression.
00:04:52:12 So sort of the way horror audiences would receive Otto
00:04:55:16 kind of interested me in the way that kind of what you were doing
00:05:00:06 in the late 80s with J.D.s and sort of the reaction to
00:05:03:20 Homophobia in supposedly like open minded musical community.
00:05:07:09 Yeah, in J.D.s we did kind of revenge of the sissies kind of
00:05:11:06 where we would show films have fan scenes with gay content
00:05:15:26 in punk context, the supposedly radical punks would be
00:05:23:02 really mortified, they would be like you don't belong here
00:05:25:27 and they get violent and what not.
00:05:29:00 That sort of motivated us to push it even further
00:05:32:18 and that's really why I started making homosexual explicit
00:05:36:17 work was to really push it and to say if you are so radical
00:05:40:02 then you should be able to accept this kind of like
00:05:44:03 sexually alternative stuff as well.
00:05:47:14 With Otto I decided to... it's my idea of torture porn
00:05:53:28 which is like luring them in on the promise of hard
00:05:57:28 like a zombie splatter movie
00:06:00:28 and then torturing them with like a tender gay love story
00:06:04:18 at the back of it which kind of work
00:06:07:08 because the people were kind of stunned at the beginning
00:06:10:03 with kind of gore and then by the end
00:06:12:15 it turns into a tender love story and by then it was just
00:06:16:23 there was slaughter, they were just
00:06:18:14 they didn't know, they were stunned and slaughtered.
00:06:20:28 Yeah.
00:06:22:04 -It sounds adorable. -Yes.
00:06:23:22 When we come back and talk some more
00:06:25:08 about all kinds of fun stuff.
00:06:27:06 I am going to come back with more
00:06:28:12 Talk Show Night at Juicebox Manor.


00:00:03:05 Welcome back to Talk Show Night.
00:00:04:14 We are here with our friend Bruce Labruce.
00:00:06:04 And we are going to play a little game that we like to call
00:00:08:25 casting couch with Bruce Labruce.
00:00:11:29 What we are hoping to do is a draw out a band name
00:00:14:27 and have you maybe suggest to us a scene
00:00:18:18 or a film that you can envision that band in that scenario.
00:00:22:09 And then we are going to steal all the ideas.
00:00:24:16 And then you are never going to make tons of money.
00:00:25:28 I will just copyright them right now.
00:00:28:02 Okay, yeah. You should do that.
00:00:29:21 C in circle.
00:00:31:16 We'll let you know.
00:00:33:06 Okay so first movie, first new Bruce Labruce smash hit,
00:00:36:28 The Wild Tones.
00:00:38:08 I was just thinking about this earlier,
00:00:41:04 Toronto used to have the most amazing venues
00:00:44:09 I mean it's kind of sad
00:00:46:10 that you guys missed the best part of music
00:00:52:01 in the history of Toronto in the 80s
00:00:54:25 because there was like so many amazing locations,
00:00:57:25 I would put them at Pariah which was like a...
00:01:00:12 which was this legendary after hours dance club
00:01:04:05 on Richmond Street where I saw like the Gun Club
00:01:08:03 and all these amazing bands,
00:01:10:02 I think they served after hours there.
00:01:12:10 And it would be just like amazing,
00:01:14:22 totally... you could smoke everywhere
00:01:16:23 so there is this amazing smoky atmosphere
00:01:19:26 and you know what would be the drag of choice right now
00:01:23:14 that we probably be doing dust or something and it's fantastic.
00:01:30:15 That's... there is a... that's a scene.
00:01:32:25 -Alright, let's say -Now.
00:01:34:16 Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:35:23 Screeching Weasel.
00:01:37:28 There was this... I had these punk crushes
00:01:41:04 like the sissy boys crushing on the stray,
00:01:44:08 punk hunks and so there was like
00:01:48:27 Harley from the Crow Mags, it was my...
00:01:51:14 I jerked off to him with his picture on the wall,
00:01:55:22 his tattoos and he is like Hare Krishna.
00:01:59:10 And then you know had Rolands
00:02:01:22 and some of the obvious ones I guess but
00:02:06:12 he was always Ben Weasel was like...
00:02:10:02 looked like a mad man idol
00:02:11:08 and of course I put him in my movie Super 8 and half
00:02:13:22 so I would put him in the romantic lead
00:02:16:20 in a movie set in Chicago where he ends up killing
00:02:21:17 he is just remembering his girlfriend
00:02:24:14 Alright, she would love the scene.
00:02:25:14 That's a beautiful, beautiful little romantic tale
00:02:28:07 I think right there.
00:02:29:17 -Because [inaudible]. -Yeah.
00:02:31:18 Right, right, right, yeah.
00:02:33:14 It's very Romeo and Juliet.
00:02:35:05 It's classic.
00:02:37:08 Shall we help to the present for a moment?
00:02:39:03 By all means.
00:02:40:03 The Jonas Brothers.
00:02:43:27 My new name for Miley Cyrus is Smiley Virus
00:02:48:04 and apparently she is dating one of The Jonas Brothers.
00:02:51:28 That's exciting.
00:02:53:00 So I would put them in the exact same scenario
00:02:56:10 that I just described except it would be a murder suicide.
00:02:59:19 That's a good one.
00:03:00:24 I would love to see that somehow.
00:03:03:00 I mentioned that it was actually a movie.
00:03:05:00 Well, maybe murder suicide isn't enough,
00:03:07:04 maybe they should be tortured first
00:03:09:22 Hostel 5 starring Smiley Virus and...
00:03:13:18 Or Saw, yeah.
00:03:14:20 We are never going to get Miley Cyrus on the show now.
00:03:16:14 This is great.
00:03:17:14 I think we... Really, we were so close.
00:03:18:21 Maybe you can get her brother, what's his name?
00:03:20:19 Oh! Vance, or something.
00:03:22:19 Some like...
00:03:23:26 He is achy rocker wannabe.
00:03:30:08 Alright, let's do one more.
00:03:31:27 -He will do one more. -Yeah, okay. Big finale.
00:03:33:25 Velvet Underground with Nico.
00:03:35:20 In my last movie Otto which is available on DVD
00:03:40:04 from Strand Releasing.
00:03:41:29 You know I had a kind of a sub plot
00:03:44:08 that I had to cut out of the movie,
00:03:46:00 the main character who is a filmmaker,
00:03:47:22 she and her brother goes to find Nico's grave
00:03:51:28 and they want to shoot themselves having incest or sex
00:03:56:08 on Nico's grave as a tribute to her relationship to her son,
00:03:59:29 Ari who apparently she had
00:04:02:16 an incestuous relationship allegedly.
00:04:04:23 I mean, I think it's just sprung from the fact
00:04:07:09 that they were junkies together and slept in the same bed,
00:04:09:24 that's where the rumor got started
00:04:11:05 and you know how these things happen.
00:04:14:23 And so they... and so a friend of mine
00:04:18:00 when I was in Berlin actually took me to
00:04:20:12 where she is buried in this place called Grunewald
00:04:24:08 which is outside of Berlin
00:04:25:16 and so for the movie we created the brother
00:04:29:01 and sister go and they are shooting themselves
00:04:32:25 with the video camera having sex on Nico's grave
00:04:35:01 and then they get interrupted by some noise in the bushes
00:04:38:06 and they think they see zombies in the distance
00:04:41:11 and they go running to explore
00:04:43:24 and it turns out to be just two fags
00:04:45:21 like having sex in the bushes.
00:04:48:12 But... It's just a deleted scene?
00:04:50:28 -Yeah, yeah, -it's a deleted.
00:04:52:03 This is a deleted scene?
00:04:53:15 So people purchase the DVD.
00:04:54:29 Oh! Absolutely, it's an amazing scene.
00:04:56:23 Really great, I like this.
00:04:59:11 I could expand into a whole movie onto itself.
00:05:03:29 You are welcome for the great sort of new ideas or old ideas
00:05:07:09 that we have reinvigorated for you.
00:05:10:07 Because that was such a good answer you win a prize.
00:05:14:18 Yeah!
00:05:15:21 You win, what's in the chest.
00:05:18:24 [Music]
00:05:22:23 -That's Green Screen. -Yeah.
00:05:25:26 -That's all it takes. -Yeah.
00:05:28:05 This is the smoking mirror.
00:05:29:29 Then we have to do the green all the way inside.
00:05:32:07 Oh! No, no, no.
00:05:33:25 Technology is far beyond that.
00:05:36:28 Well, thank you for coming to Talk Show Night to our home.
00:05:40:04 -My pleasure. -We really appreciate it.
00:05:41:18 We will be back after this with more of
00:05:43:08 Talk Show Night at Juicebox Manor.


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00:00:02:18 Welcome back to Talk Show Night at Juicebox Manor.
00:00:04:23 Please welcome Toronto's very own The Darcys.
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